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>> gregory macon is serving 40 years for murder. he's been at stateville since 1985. he remembers when the prison had regular programs including theatrical and musical performances that used to take place here in the now long abandoned prison auditorium. >> the musical program was a great award winning thing because, in fact, we would have competition against other penitentiaries. and stateville was always number one. in here it's like a cage of awaiting execution because there's nothing for a man to do and no programs or nothing. you're just sitting here like a commodity. you know, a price ta...

Educational component. you will be surprised how many prisons used to offer the possibility of getting a ged or going on to get college course credit. a lot of that stuff has been eviscerated or moved. we have to restore the incentive for these men and women to become ed kuwaited. we have to provide them outlets of creativity that encourages them to do something other than learn how to become a criminal. the unfortunate reality is these are not about -- these places are not penitentiaries where rehabilitation is focused on, people are learning the craft of crime. if we can figure out a way to ...

Country. they're bringing crime. they're rapists. you have illegal immigrants pouring through the country. they're incarcerated. many of them are in jails. you have hundreds of thousands of people going to state and federal penitentiaries. [ buzzer ] >> not true mr. trump. a recent study by the police foundation found incarceration rates among young men are lowest for immigrants especially those who are the least educated. this holds true especially for the mexicans. so his accusations about crime are totally baseless. but what about this claim? >> when mexico sends its people they're not send...

Mexico. >> they're sending people that have lots of problems and they are bringing those problems with us. they are bringing drugs. they're bringing crime. they're rapists and some, i assume are good people. >> joining us now from his headquarters here in new york city is donald trump. would you take any of that back or rephrase any of it if you could? >> no, because it's totally accurate. and you should have let it play a little bit longer because it really covers it actually even a little bit better but it's totally accurate. the border is a disaster, bill. people are pouring in and i mean i...

In the possible drugtate trade. did you see heroin use while you were there? >> don, i was in federal, state, and county prisons. i spent eight and a and a half years inside. i was in the worst of the worst. i was in penitentiaries, i was in all kinds of prisons, in medium securities too. but this is heroin use in every single prison. if the feds want to tackle this, they better get ready because this will be their first model into exploring the entire united states. there wasn't a prison i was in that wasn't heroin infested. and after the visits, search flying. number one, the visitors are br...