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We don't know exactly whether that played any role in what happened today. but again, as i talked a little bit earlier, perception matters. and this is what the fbi director has been hearing. you know, repeatedly from his superiors across the street and down the street at the white house. that leaks are the important part of this story, not the investigation of getting into the bottom of what happened last year with the russian meddling. so look, the perception is something that's going to matter in all of this. the fbi has career people who are handling this investigation. but perception is g...

Oh, the investigation -- >> this is one reason why comey was very much in charge of this investigation. he was very much on top of it. i know that you've run larger organizations but when something like this that is really big and really important inside the fbi, comey made sure that he was getting regular updates -- >> if i could take it a step beyond -- >> i do think that perception matters and i think there's a tall order here for the president. >> you're saying even within the fbi the firing of comey, the perception of it would affect the investigation. >> it really does. >> there are a lo...

In the russia investigation has not ceased, as you notice from the fact we reported that the grand jury subpoenas had been issued by the u.s. attorney's office in the eastern district of virginia. it goes to show that there's a lot of complaints that the fbi director was hearing both from the white house and from across the street at the justice department headquarters that there wasn't enough being done to hunt down the leaks. in the eyes of the attorney general and in the eyes of the president, leaks were the most important part of what is happening right now. >> is it your understanding tha...

Integrity. you need a senseability of the prosecutor because perception matters. >> all this as issa is calling for a special investigator. the father of the first service member killed during the trump administration is slamming the president for green lighting the mission that killed his son. william ryan owens was killed in the raid in yemen last month. the white house called the mission a success, but owens father said why at this time did there be a stupid mission when it was barely a week in the administration. for two weeks prior, no boots on the ground in yemen. everything was missil...

Investigation. because you never know where it's going to do. if i was sitting in that position, talk to the white house council about it. out of an abundance of caution, i don't think reince thought he was doing anything wrong. i really don't. and i have absolute confidence in his integrity, but you need to have the sense of a prosecutor when you're dealing with these issues because perception matters. >> and that's true when it comes to the deputy director of the fbi, but what about the white house reaching out to the fbi that would -- and reaching out to the house and senate chairman's comm...