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>> exactly. there were v.a. employees that were zeroing out wait times in order to earn performance bonuses or appease managers. >> are we pretty certain that now we have a realistic picture at least on how bad things are or is there still folks cooking the books as far as you all can tell? >> we haven't seen any evidence that there are still folk cooking the books but we have seen a gap between what veterans perceive their wait types to be and what v.a. reports they are. and that's a credit to the way the v.a. measures wait times and also an aging or old and out of date scheduling system. >> ...

100% of senior management in the va system, systemwide received a positive job review. $10 million to phoenix in bonuses, $400 million systemwide for performance bonuses. you have to stop that. this whistle blower said she was told to take a picture of people who were on a waiting list and put it in the desk because it wasn't going to get on the waiting list. she said she had literally thousands of pieces of paper. it's a failure of management. there's plenty of money there. they just need the right people in place. do a sweeping change. get rid of a bunch of people. >> greg, to that point, ge...

100% of senior management in the va system, systemwide received a positive job review. $10 million to phoenix in bonuses, $400 million systemwide for performance bonuses. you have to stop that. this whistle blower said she was told to take a picture of people who were on a waiting list and put it in the desk because it wasn't going to get on the waiting list. she said she had literally thousands of pieces of paper. it's a failure of management. there's plenty of money there. they just need the right people in place. do a sweeping change. get rid of a bunch of people. >> greg, to that point, ge...

100% of senior management in the va system, systemwide received a positive job review. $10 million to phoenix in bonuses, $400 million systemwide for performance bonuses. you have to stop that. this whistle blower said she was told to take a picture of people who were on a waiting list and put it in the desk because it wasn't going to get on the waiting list. she said she had literally thousands of pieces of paper. it's a failure of management. there's plenty of money there. they just need the right people in place. do a sweeping change. get rid of a bunch of people. >> greg, to that point, ge...

Veterans affairs held a hearing today in which they were discussing the bonuses that v.a. managers get. turns out the v.a. gives out $400 million a year in performance bonuses and that while as we now know thousands of vets were waiting to get in to even be able to see a doctor. 6 5% of the senior workforce got bonuses for their good work. kirsten? 100% of senior managers net their goals. >> yeah. it doesn't look good. and i think there is nothing wrong with giving performance bonuses. on oously, it gives you an incentive. but i think the fact that they were not able to see that all of these p...