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No matter what side you are on, that looks like the first couple of steps towards permanent division. >> well, i completely agree with your opening comment that we have not been as politically and culturally divided since the civil war. but, you blame the framers. as you implied. they built in a disz persian, not a concentration of power between state and federal where had you to fight it out often on particular issues. and then, of course, three branches of government, but right now we have one party controlling all three branches in a sense. but when you say both parties kind of have been do...

First couple of steps towards permanent division. >> well, i completely agree with your opening comment that we have not been as politically and culturally divided since the civil war. but, you blame the framers. as you implied. they built in a disz persian, not a concentration of power between state and federal where had you to fight it out often on particular issues. and then, of course, three branches of government, but right now we have one party controlling all three branches in a sense. but when you say both parties kind of have been doing this, what's different is not that -- you know, ...