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>> in terms of the president's behavior here, your initial reaction about this, that if he's not removed from office by this process that it might politically bolster him, might make him more effective in the 2020 campaign. might make him be able to turn sort of a persecution complex into more support from his base. do you feel more relaxed about those concerns or do you feel like they can't be operative given the seriousness of the thing he's accused of? >> i think it's the latter. at some point you have to exercise your constitutional authority and utilize the checks and balances system to s...

Around this? >> i think this is a great catalyst, but i believe one of the benefits of impeachment is that we can unearth new details about any of the myriad avenues of investigation that maybe individually might not have led to impeachment. but i think this is in many ways an opportunity for us to see just what's been going on after you turn over the rocks. >> in terms of the president's behavior here, your initial reaction about this. if he's not removed from office by this process that it might politically bolster him, might make him more effective in the 2020 campaign. might make him turn ...

Any number of issues that they campaigned on, this he want to see something get done. >> and remember just to add on to nia's point, nancy pelosi in the runup to the 2018 election with as very not dismissive but guarded as it related to impeachment. obviously there is a -- that will be a story within the party. there are people who wanted donald trump within the democratic party wanted donald trump impeached the day after he was sworn in. she, i think, is waiting for the mueller report and sort of planning from there, but there will be a push without question to bring that up and she will make...

There's a level at which he probably doesn't even know it. >> you think he doesn't know? when he's playing pastor mcgoo and i'm coming in to clean up the fight and he's in the fight? >> i know, but he does have kind of a persecution complex. he does on a certain level -- >> you're being so clinical. i mean, i don't know. >> he's being persecuting. and unfairly persecuted. despite everything. despite the evidence of our eyes and ears. >> what do you make of it, congressman? you're a republican from a nice suburban area, a place in pennsylvania i think is great. what do you think? people see tha...

On this? this is where he is. >> me, me, me, me, me, me, me. that's where he is. i mean, it's not different than most things. let's remember this is a president who on memorial day tweet made it about his ability to lower the unemployment rate. we shouldn't be terribly surprised. i would have predicted that donald trump would go after the so-called fake news media in a tweet, but he went in what is a sort of traditional direction for him to make it about himself. i'm not totally sure kate is referring to in terms of his being attacked on abc. always looking at the possibility with donald trump...