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Referring to a 2008 pew research study. that, in fact, does not exist. pew, however, did a study four years later which the campaign cited on other cases so we assume that's what he's referring to. we reached out to a man involved in that study, david becker, the primary author of the study. thanks for being here. the pew study which you authored that's been frequently cited by the trump camp for months it found that while there are millions of out of date registration records due to people dying or moving, that does exist, there was no evidence that voter fraud resulted from that. is that cor...

Going to stand up and say enough and really make a break from the president-elect? is there a line? >> well, i think you already heard some of that with the folks that just spoke on the clip that just played. >> is that enough, just speak being it? >> well, let's let it play out a little longer than three days. what i'd say is, again, goes to this point of alternative facts or repeating a falsehood so long that it gets imbedded as truth. i think there's a point of legitimacy, as was evidenced by the pew study in 2012, already talked about on your show, that there have been over the years irreg...

Immigrants voting. "i will be asking for a major investigation into voter fraud including those registered to vote in two states, those who are illegal and those even who are registered to vote who are dead." ari melbourne joins me now. you may be responsible for this all caps tweet you gave your reality check on the "today" show followed emphatically by the donald trump tweet. it's your fault. let's go through your fact check, this goes back to sean spicer's referring to the pew study and the author of that, david becker says it's been miscast. >> president kennedy said success has a thousand...

>> which has been a long standing belief that he's maintained. it's a belief he maintains. he's believed this for a long time. it was a comment he made on a long standing belief. >> reporter: do you believe there was widespread voter fraud? >> my job is not -- >> reporter: how can he be comfortable with his win -- >> he's very comfortable with his win. he believes what he believes based on the information he's provided. >> he believes, he believe, he believes. this is what happens when the president's staff try to adapt to a president who holds belief that are not simply untrue but manifestly ...

Entire political spectrum. spicer was hounded about trump's so-called evidence finally coming up with this. >> there was a study that came out of pew in 2008 that showed 14% of people who voted were non-citizens. there's other studies that have been presented to him. >> first of all, think about that stat. 14% of people who voted were non-citizens. that's ridiculous. the pew study found no such thing. the author of the study tweeting today "zero evidence of fraud" but spicer's strategy leads to other problems. namely, if the president believes it, should he take action? >> reporter: i'm asking...