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But where did you get your ph.d? >> i don't call myself an economist, because i don't have a ph.d. it's economists from places like cornell, from places like -- >> but how many economists do you have on staff? that's all -- just answer my question. >> the employment policies institute is actually far more independent than something like the economic policy institute -- >> who you have tried to troll. >> -- well-funded by labor unions and have in-house economists who are doing the work. so you have labor unions funding their economists to get the results you want as opposed to us that goes to o...

In economics? >> i was an economist for the bureau of labor statistics and i studied economics at the university of michigan -- >> as an undergraduate. but where did you get your ph.d? >> i don't call myself an economist, because i don't have a ph.d. it's economists from places like cornell, from places like -- >> but how many economists do you have on staff? that's all -- just answer my question. >> the employment policies institute is actually far more independent than something like the economic policy institute -- >> who you have tried to roll. >> -- well-funded by labor unions and have in...

They don't want the minimum wage to be raised, because they don't want to pay the workers more money. this is the way washington works. why pretend there's some independent institute that's churning out position papers. why not be clear about what you guys are up to? >> we're not pretending anything. the employment policies institute has been around for 20 years. we are a 5013c nonprofit. >> anyone can do that. >> economists from the university of chicago. here's the thing. the only reason this is a story -- >> how many economists do you have on staff? >> the only reason this is a story -- >> ...

As omar and the wire would say. you guys got a lobbying operation in washington, d.c., you got clients. they don't want the minimum wage to be raised, because they don't want to pay the workers more money. this is the way washington works. why pretend there's some independent institute that's churning out position papers. why not be clear about what you guys are up to? >> we're not pretending anything. the employment policies institute has been around for 20 years. we are a 5013c nonprofit. >> anyone can do that. >> economists from the university of chicago. here's the thing. the only reason t...

Obama care after he realized it would save him $13,000. kimberly, an uninsured worker was relieved after she signed up. >> i found out today that i do qualify at my level and so i'm excited about that. >> reporter: reverend donald morton didn't have insurance before this week. >> i, myself, was not approved for health care because of pre-existing conditions. so while i'm a pastor, while i have a ph.d, i'm a regular season. >> joining me now is republican congressman, blake farrenthold from texas. congressman, i feel like i've lost the plot a little bit with the shutdown. so you want to defund ...