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Speaks for itself. so we have reports from the treasu treasury, we have reports from the state department that focus on our efforts. >> all right. well, i appreciate your time mr. ambassador. thank you so much. >> thank you, erin. thank you very much. >> former state department spokesman john kirby and phil mud, welcome. i want to talk about the koerp here. the corps is this is a country that the united states has when you look at treasury, you look at the words from danny kblazer has known has had issues with terror funding as we've reported, has had issues with terror funding. is there going...

Attorney general. can you come up with any good reason why the top advisor to the president-elect would want or need a secure system of communicating with the kremlin during the transition. >> it's unfortunate you modify your question with any good reason, it's tough to come up with a good reason. i think phil mud is on to something. he used to brief me every morning so i have a enormous amount of regard for him when he points out the atmosphere at the time, as candidate trump was saying, at the time, they wanted closer ties with the russians, whether it was wise or unwise a lot of people thou...

Interactions. when kislyak came to the white house, it was normally to be reprimanded. in contrant, members of the trump campaign and transition appeared to be meeting with him on a regular basis, mory e y tsn with other foreign officials. it was puzzling, i'm told, that -- because it was not clear to those in the obama administration what the trump transition folks were trying to avoid, trying to do by avoiding regular channels. now the officials were also aware of the phone conversations from kislyak where he would report back to russia about cultivating relationships with members of the tru...

Let's bring in our panel to discuss. we have david gregory and abbie phillip and phillip mud. phil, i want to start with you. you obviously spent some time in the fbi. the fbi and federal investigators cast a wide net. it is no surprise they would look at jared kushner, given his relationship with the president, given his own contacts with the russians. what do you see here? >> i see a complex investigation that's going to take a long time to develop. think of all the informs federal investigators are looking at. let's say they're looking at 20, 30 people around the campaign, gathering things ...

Have been and may have been key things that are serious. maybe unserious. but as phil says, are about ways that are obvious and not so obvious how russians may have tried to compromise the campaign or attack the campaign. so he's necessarily somebody who would be the focus of an investigation because he'll necessarily have so much information, which makes him so important. and his cooperation is important. there may be a point where his cooperation may not be forthcoming depending upon what investigators find and how they present it to his attorneys. >> jeff sessions was able to explain or is ...