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Soft targets of course. but getting seven groups to hit targets simultaneously is not easy. i've trained these groups over and over, not for terrorism but you have to spend time with them and trust each other and know who will pull the trigger and have to vet these people. you simply can't take, you know, 14, 15 volunteers and hope that they will carry out the missions. that's not the way the world works. these guys were organized and had some sort of training and we'll have to wait to see where that was. >> yeah, phil mud, do you agree with that? as i remember the last attacks, those guys had...

To get out but offered a horrendous, horrendous eyewitness description what was going on inside. phil mud is joining us. it's significant from your perspective the terrorists that julien pearce saw inside were not wearing a mask. >> you have to think about the emotions of the people staking the attack. in my experience watching terror groups, there is a tremendous amount of emotion for a human being to decide they are going to go in and a shoot up a restaurant or theater. the unmasking indicates this might be a suicide operation. not that they are deciding to kill themselves but they went in a...

To find who did it and before there is another deadly attack. there are killers on the loose now. let's dig deeper with paul, our cnn law enforcement analyst tom fuentes and phil mud. could this attack be part of a larger operation? whoever is behind this could be grooming others to operate within airports elsewhere across the globe? >> wolf, i think there is significant concern about exactly that scenario in the middle east concern that isis recruited other insiders at other middle east earn airports and i think that partly explains why they are now at security enhancement for u.s. flights co...

Given that nobody really knows what's going on here. >> nema, thank you very much. live at sharm el sheikh airport, tens of thousands of people stranded there. joining me now, former cia counterterrorism official phil mud and our aviation lead correspondent richard quest. thanks to both of you. richard, what did investigators hear that has them in their wores categorically convinced that a bomb brought the plane down? >> i blif what they heard is an explosion, a noise, a scintilla, the very smallest amount of noise, but they were able to identify it as being that of an explosion. now, whether ...

>> now, let me ask you, phil. we now know the russians have stopped all flights as well, right? they had been in the corner with the egyptians for a while, saying don't rush to judgment, we don't know. they changed their tune today. >> yes. >> and pretty aggressively so. they're not flying in. they said it was because they had gotten information from the united states. >> yes. >> that must mean the information is pretty significant, that the russians would admit that they're going to stop flying and that it's because of information they got from the americans. >> yeah. let's take the politics ...