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That, you know, he's a hoodlum and also a reputed homosexual. i didn't realize he was gay. that doesn't surprise me. hoover saw homosexuals everywhere. and sometimes wasn't unhappy about that, i'm sure. >> because the word is that he was as well. so, philip, listen -- >> well. >> yeah. the president rolled this out like a cliffhanger. it would be interesting to know -- to know what he knew and what details he knew. are the files, are they just hyping the release here? >> well, no. i think what's gone on at the white house over the last couple of weeks was a mess. that there were these frantic ...

Openness as possible and after 50 years, i think you let it all out, but because of the wide net that the assassination records review board put out in the '90s and philip knows all about this, they collected 5 million pages of documents and a lot of them have nothing to do with lee harvey oswald. they have a lot to do with the public's concerns about a series of conspiracy theories that the cubans did it, that the mob did it, that the cia did it, that kennedy wanted to pull out of vietnam and that's why he was killed. so details about all of those different areas were pulled together and all ...

The cuban embassy about a visa. people are going to think we really messed up there, and we inters int intercepted this letter. and it's all listed there. the basis for a cover-up. it's a cover-up not because the fbi killed kennedy, but because the fbi screwed up. it reminds me of reading the 9/11 commission report and the two islamists, mentar and hosni who the nsa and cia found, figured out were important and they came to this country and the fbi never followed up on the leads the cia gave them in time. sounds like that. reads like that at least. >> philip, i want to bring you in now because...

Did was they convinced the review board which was a sober nonpartisan group of people that a lot of these records are not relevant to helping the public understand whether or not lee harvey oswald was part of a conspiracy. the review board in 1998 said we're not going to release them but the law said that they would have to be released within 25 years, but they left open the possibility that whoever the incumbent president was, he, or she, could stop it. i think that they were just kicking the can down. i think that the agencies have have been trying to prevent some of the sources from coming ...