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>> there was a time probably, philip, where the stock market moved in lock step with economic success and gdp growth. earlier this year the president actually implied the monetary value of the growth of the stock market is a way to reduce get. and there are days i don't know whether he's being manipulative to his own benefit or he doesn't really get what's going on, because stock market gains have no connection to paying down the national debt. >> right, there's this interview you referred to where he said there's been a 500 -- gain. there is this overhanging question to the extent donald trum...

In office. about double where an average year would be. but just how much credit does the president deserve? with us to talk about philip bubb and kimberley atkins, the chief washington report for the boston herald and an msnbc contributor. welcome to both of you. phil, i want to show you the s&p 500, you're familiar with this, since 2009. that's during the recession. let's go to the one that goes all the way from 2009 where you see the stock market going up since then -- well, maybe we don't have that, but you know the point. there we go. that red point at the end is donald trump's contributi...

It doesn't necessarily spell success for them in their bottom lines. >> there was a time probably, philip, where the stock market moved in lock step with economic success and gdp growth. earlier this year the president actually implied the monetary value of the growth of the stock market is a way to reduce get. and there are days i don't know whether he's being manipulative to his own benefit or he doesn't really get what's going on, because stock market gains have no connection to paying down the national debt. >> right, there's this interview you referred to where he said there's been a 500 ...

President trump met with firefighters today near his resort. he took the time to report on twitter the stock market is setting record after record. today he predicted because of newly pa lly passed tax cuts, tk market is poised for another year of success. the markets did do well. the s&p 500, which i like to use more than the dow, is up 18% during trump's first 11 months in office. about double where an average year would be. but just how much credit does the president deserve? with us to talk about philip bubb and kimberley atkins, the chief washington reporter for the boston herald and an m...