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>> michael, thanks for having me this morning. the key was running a big totals in the rest of the state. you know, we were -- we knew what was going to happen in the philly suburbs and we worked hard to get mr. trump, president elect trump, out to the rest of the state, pittsburgh, scranton, the other media markets around the state. we knew what message would resonate. >> david, on any other election day the margin she did come out of philadelphia and the philly burbs with would have been enough. but it wasn't. you brought out people who hadn't been active participants in the past. >> you're ...

Hitting -- >> but michael, maybe he felt like he took the advice of the people who were telling him to pivot and be more muted in the last debate and it didn't turn out well for him. >> could be. >> so he decided well, the hell with that, i'm going to throw all that out and go back to the stuff i know works. >> and just to elaborate, it's not -- michael and i are biased because we're from philadelphia but it's not just the philly burbs we're talking about, we're talking about white college educated voters, the people in the i-4 corridor in the middle of florida, we're talking about the people ...

So they are really talking about two different things right now. not even close. as we know, we're only a month away from the critical year end deadline. >> michael, let's talk about the president's trip to pennsylvania today where you are. why this toy company in suburban philly and why even bother traveling? would he have been better served to stay behind closed doors in d.c. to continue negotiations with congressional leaders? >> these folks make tinker toys and lincoln logs. i bet you remember both of those because i certainly do. i don't think he was drawn to the products. i think he was ...

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