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Organization and who he can't. and what he really needs to do is quit taking a passive role and letting somebody like dr. petzel run the operation and take a more hands-on approach. i think if he does that then he should stay. if he's unwilling or not capable of that, then the president should remove him. i think one last chance to have him jump up to it and get going is what we really need. >> and real quick, one final note, the president's spokesman has said he has known about the issues at the va for a long time although he did not know about the extent of the issues, especially at the phoe...

The scandal in phoenix and elsewhere much worse than we thought. >> let's review it for you. we'll go to washington to do that with elizabeth prann. recap what took place. >> it was a rare scene on capitol hill. three top administrators were called in for questioning following accusations at least 40 veterans died waiting for appointments at a phoenix facility. some congressmen became enraged with the hearing finding their answers to be too diplomatic specifically when they were told the now destroyed documents were not secret. lawmakers accusing the v.a. paid out bonuses based on the false wa...