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That's when dr. hope decided we need to contact the media and we need help with this. >> reporter: dewinter says until now she was too scared to come forward. the truth is -- she is scared. >> my life will change after -- this comes out. i will have people at work who are not going to like me because of what i have done. i have other people at work who say thank you for doing what you have done. >> mazing -- amazing she came forward. she is brave. she is incredibly brave to come forward. the most startling allegation in this report is that until very recently someone has been trying to hide th...

Doesn't want to work. and nothing to see here. that's been their standard procedure, they'll say, oh, well, yeah, but we don't think it's caused the death. the etch denvidence was bad. this was below practice. yes, it does. anything that leads to increased infections will come back and lead to increased patient deaths. >> two you kndo you know if any wrongdoers you exposed got bonuses? >> yes, several of them did. >> have you exposed that? >> yeah, that's been exposed, and hellmann got two, one for fiscal year 2013 which was $9,345. then very early in early march this year, susan bowers gave h...

>> reporter: why? dewinter says the numbers of dead in this va wait list scandal may be even bigger than first reported, and someone, she says, is trying to cover up the record. and that has been happening fairly recently. >> yes. >> reporter: that is a cover-up. >> yes. >> reporter: did you feel that the investigators are on to that? >> yes. >> reporter: because you told them. >> i have surrendered evidence, yes. >> reporter: if there ever was a doubt there was a secret waiting list at the phoenix va, dewinter says she's here to lay the doubts to rest. beginning last year, she says she was to...

First reported. and someone, she says, is trying to cover up the record. >> and that has been happening fairly recently? >> yes. >> that is a cover-up? >> yes. >> do you feel that the investigators are on to that? >> yes. >> because you told them? >> i have surrendered evidence, yes. >> if there ever was a doubt there was a secret waiting list that the phoenix va, dewinters says she's here to lay those doubts to rest. there simply were not enough doctors, not enough appointments to handle new patients, backlog patients and, yes, very sick patients. dewent, a scheduling clerk, was making life a...

Able to contain themselves, they will go too far and politicize this. >> real quick on this, paul, you say it may have hurt the president already. yes, he's got -- there's a lot on his plate especially on the international front, but what more can the president do? should the president be doing more? he's put one of his senior guys down there to investigate, rob nabors, a guy a lot of people trust within the administration, but we don't hear kind of lighting his hair on fire about this. >> he has put a very top person there, removed the secretary to begin with. he sent his deputy chief of staf...