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Be a judge who would say, the russians alerted us to these guys. can we keep looking at their phone stuff and a judge will say no? >> i don't see that going through. you have to show a terrorist connection. martha: that would have been helpful. >> they have not been able to show a foreign terrorist connection to this. maybe it's there. but there is no prov -- there io proof even after the fact. until you have that you cannot use fisa and prism. that proves how much american citizens are being protected sometimes at the risk of their their own safety. you are saying because when didn't catch th...

Dragnetting all this information. >> bill: where are you getting that from though. >> part of the problem this is all secret so we cannot -- karl probably can't tell us if he knows. >> bill: we don't know the whistleblower in hong kong says that's happening and rove says it isn't happening. we don't know. >> at least the phone stuff is not very targeted and is domestic. i have an issue with that a little bit beyond what you do. >> bill: no, no. >> hold 00 not just because there is distongues you can do a lot with data now than you could bill political. >> got it rope to protect us and phone th...

Dragnetting all this information. >> bill: where are you getting that from though. >> part of the problem this is all secret so we cannot -- karl probably can't tell us if he knows. >> bill: we don't know the whistleblower in hong kong says that's happening and rove says it isn't happening. we don't know. >> at least the phone stuff is not very targeted and is domestic. i have an issue with that a little bit beyond what you do. >> bill: no, no. >> hold 00 not just because there is distongues you can do a lot with data now than you could bill political. >> got it rope to protect us and phone th...

Dragnetting all this information. >> bill: where are you getting that from though. >> part of the problem this is all secret so we cannot -- karl probably can't tell us if he knows. >> bill: we don't know the whistleblower in hong kong says that's happening and rove says it isn't happening. we don't know. >> at least the phone stuff is not very targeted and is domestic. i have an issue with that a little bit beyond what you do. >> bill: no, no. >> hold 00 not just because there is distongues you can do a lot with data now than you could bill political. >> got it rope to protect us and phone th...