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Vandalism. as if billy bob and bubba, after a few beers and a night out, get their hands on ak-47s and surgically knock out 17 transformers, 16 circuit breakers after cutting underground fiberoptic cables and outsmarting security cameras and motion sensors. these terrorists are still out there. and less than a week later, in a shockingly similar attack in tennessee, a suspect on a boat fired shots at a nuclear power plant and then engaged with police. a trespasser, you might say? someone armed from the water willing to engage in a shootout with law enforcement is certainly not bubba with a few...

A test, but i'm also thinking maybe there's some things they've already instituted or implemented as a result of an attack. >> you know the dangers to and you say to americans. what do you think it's going to take to get people to focus on this? >> judge, you know, that's a very good question. as americans, we've traditionally had kneejerk reactions to everything. 9/11, we were proactive for a little bit, but now we're not taking any proactive approaches. as americans, we're in trouble right now. i think there's things that are in play right now in our country that we're not aware of. if our p...

Congress. feinstein and reid and others are now pushing for stronger security standards of power plants, saying the attack was a wake-up call. as if they didn't already know based upon legislation that you've been involved in, the work that you've done, the grid act, the sipa act, the shield act. as if this is the first time they're hearing about it. can you please explain to the american people why these politicians decide to come out when we hear about it and be against it but won't pass the stuff in washington? >> well, judge, i don't know. we really have to get on this and get on it as soo...

Got it order and had delivered to a seaport, you have to really work to get it to the site. if you need 10, if you need 20, if you need a thousand of them, forget it. >> you have been on this for a long time, and you talk about the catastrophic consequences to human life in this country if there were to be an attack on the grid, whether it's solar, which is natural, the electromagnetic pulse, and i'm not going to go through all of the causes, what do you -- i mean, what are are the predictions? >> i think the most authoritative assessment of all of this has been done, and i know you've got a c...

A test, but i'm also thinking maybe there's some things they've already instituted or implemented as a result of an attack. >> you know the dangers to and you say to americans. what do you think it's going to take to get people to focus on this? >> judge, you know, that's a very good question. as americans, we've traditionally had kneejerk reactions to everything. 9/11, we were proactive for a little bit, but now we're not taking any proactive approaches. as americans, we're in trouble right now. i think there's things that are in play right now in our country that we're not aware of. if our p...