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Back in 2013 the democrats in the senate together with republicans put forward a very comprehensive immigration reform, including some $700 million -- excuse me, $40 billion for border security, including fences and all of the other drones and observation and the like. we're willing to do that. most recently just this year, 2018, democrats and republicans came together on a very comprehensive way of dealing with daca and providing border security. all of the elements, fences, improve the fences, repair the fences. >> could it include money for a wall? >> where necessary, yes. but let me be ver...

Stretches into january, how comfortable are democrats having their first month back in control of the house be defined by this shutdown potentially over any other plans they had? >> i don't think democrats are going to budge. donald trump tried to close the midterm election by focusing on the border, as you know well. that did not prevent the blue wave from taking back the house of representatives. all the public opinion polling shows the public knows trump is to blame for the shutdown. trump has said in his own words that he's the one shutting down the government. so democrats are in a very s...

The new year? is that part of the calculation here? >> well, ben just talked about how this is a comfortable negotiating position for democrats. i talked to a few republicans today who said while it's not clear what trump's end game is here, it's not uncomfortable for him either. you know, he doesn't have an election for two years. in two years, no one is going to remember this shutdown most likely. and what his base will remember is that he fought for the wall. that's something that a former republican congressman said to me today, he didn't see a political downside to that. the counter to th...

Attitude and not so much a carefully formulated policy. if this is about his base, what is the base willing to accept here? is the base willing to accept a posture even if it falls short of an actual wall? >> is the base willing to accept a major global recession? which is what closing the u.s./mexico border would mean. obviously not. i think the point is the base wants theater. donald trump delivers theater. but the people around him actually have to now do a negotiation in an environment that is increasingly inhospitalable to them and they know they are trapped. >> ben rhodes, from the stand...

Walls. some of them, they can. those of the wells we are not using. >> sean: most of the ones we are not using. the president also stressed the need for much tighter border security during a speech at a naval base in san diego. take a look at this. >> dangerous criminal and terrorist organizations relentlessly seek to exploit our immigration system. i've just come from a trip to the border, where i met with our wonderful border agents, border patrol and the i.c.e., unbelievable people. and reviewed prototypes of a new physical wall that will protect our border and protect our country. but that...