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This the welfare system, in the education system, and the transformation. they're not assimilating. the cuomo family is famous for being the great italian american family in new york that assimilated. mario cuomo, this is a different set of ways we're living when 20 million, 30 million people are coming in faster. that's not a boogie man. they're coming here because they're desperate for a better way of life. >> right. >> for their families. and they are not taking the jobs that the workingmen and women need. they are not keeping wages down for the workingmen and women of america. it's just no...

They are not keeping wages down for the working men and women in america, it's just not true economically. you can disagree, i'm just saying the data doesn't support your disagreement. >> well, i think the data on the wage is down, i don't think anyone would say introducing a large number of workers into the work force doesn't change the levels. >> you have to see where they're going. picking apples and tomatoes is not the same as wanting to be a factory worker. there are different price points -- >> right, but straining the system and transforming our living is what americans voted for an ame...