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>> let's go back to florida, what many have described is a sweetheart deal. i know we spoke about this before. i'm times, for example, the issue of james comey. probably a perfect case in point. if we know that he had government documents. we know that that would violate the espionage act. we know you showed a lack of candor. but the intent side of the law is probably not as serious as, for example, premeditated fraud committed on a fisa court or the outsourcing using of intelligence that would be illegal and i have a funny feeling that drunk and barr and the inspector general have focused on ...

Irregularities that the attorney general was talking about. >> sean: pam, let's go back to florida, what many have described as a sweetheart deal. i know we spoke about this before. sometimes, for example, the issue of james comey. probably a perfect case in point. we know that he d government documents. we know that that would violate the espionage act. we know he showed a lack of candor. but the intent side of the law is probably not as serious as, for example, premeditated fraud committed on a fisa court or the outsourcing of intelligence that would be illegal and i have a funny feeling tha...

Historically that's focused on big picture items like jobs, safety, crime, war, and lately at the top of that list, dissatisfaction in government, something people think is worse right now. but here's a big question. if people think washington, the government are broken, who can even lead this conversation? and if these are really complicated challenges -- they sound like it -- does that mean that discussing them requires complex and difficult conversations? well, my next guests are tackling exactly these questions and they're pretty famous and pretty smart. and they argue the answers can be f...

Steve: kimberly, let's move on to the meddling issue which is the top of the list, as the president said, your favorite question when he was talking to the media earlier last week. you sought in a statement from chuck schumer they have to press him on meddling -- what is it that he is supposed to do that is going to get vitamin to say yeah, you are right and i will not do it anymore. >> was there an intention by the russians to interfere or metal with the us election marked okay. i'm sure and yes to have demonstrative impact or effect on the election of a duly elected american president who wo...

Go on. >> no, that's okay. >> this is important. i want to get this in before we run out of time. you first reported the infamous dossier compiled by british journalist christopher steele. a lot has been made of the fact it is raw intelligence. how much of it, though, has been verified? >> a lot of the particulars have not, and a lot of them can't be because, you know, he's citing inside information from sources working with people in the kremlin or near the kremlin. i think if you look at sort of the big picture, in june of 2016 he is reporting that moscow has an operation to help donald trum...