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They throw these extremes out like medicare for all or single payer or in the more recent case the green new deal. and they don't expect it to be achieved overnight. in fact they invite the condemnation from people like dan and you and me, because they want the pile ons. so then they can affect it piecemeal and they look reasonable and moderate on the way to affecting their most radical policies. this is while we're in this position now. by the way it wasn't bernie sanders who brought the party to the radical left, it was president obama. and people forget that. they overlook. that barack obam...

Interference campaign in our election, that it truly was this incident that sort of triggered it and then the subsequent sort of pile ons that it got worse and worse and worse? >> i think vladimir putin is -- we're back in an eatological struggle. it's not the cold war. but we are in an etological struggle and president putin is trying to discredit western ideals of democracy and freedom and the best way to do it is if he can discredit our system. and that's really what is going on here. and you see it in his interference. if he can -- you know, for his objectives, if he can sow chaos and show...