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So carl keeps a picture of shelley shannon on the wall next to his desk. her head shot hangs behind reception so everyone on staff knows exactly what she looks like too. because who knows if she might decide to come back. dr. tiller, of course, will not be there if there is a next time. but the clinic is still a clarion symbol for the aggressive radical anti-abortion movement that has targeted his clinic. and the reason that clinic has remained a symbol, the reason that clinic is still there at all, still serving kansas women is julie burkhart. julie is not just the face of abortion services i...

Shelley shannon on the wall next to his desk. her head shot hangs behind reception so everyone on staff knows exactly what she looks like too. because who knows if she might decide to come back. dr. tiller, of course, will not be there if there is a next time. but the clinic is still a clarion symbol for the aggressive radical anti-abortion movement that has targeted his clinic. and the reason that clinic has remained a symbol, the reason that clinic is still there at all, still serving kansas women is julie burkhart. julie is not just the face of abortion services in wichita after that famous...

Things like new town happens and things like the pulse nightclub and what their membership is talking about and what the organization will or won't support. there is often, to your knowledge, any discussion about being more moderate? what is going to happen there? because it's not sustainable, right? if they don't have the money, it's not sustainable. >> well, it does seem that the nra's financial problems have been associated, at least temporally with the rise of the new rhetoric. the nra used to be all about guns and gun rights and expanded political agenda to talk about trumpism and antiwel...

Battling guns and not about battling leftists. >> they were often to raise money and put out fund-raising blasts because of barack obama, they don't have that now. they have a president who three years in a row has gone and be their keynote speaker. >> that's right. even the gunmakers have been suffering. a trump slump in the gun business because gun sales were down 10% in the first year of trump president's daens becaupr. trump has limited and taken away people's guns. that is to say the bump stocks thatt the atf recently banned and the nra and gun rights movement is doing well on other front...

Influence on the republican party by infiltrating the nra. it is, of course, another negative headline for the gun rights lobby, which has been plagued by recent reports of dramatic financial instability. but the group still got the president and vice president to indiana today for that annual convention. >> i'm a champion for the second amendment and so are you. it's not going anywhere. it's under assault. it's under assault. but not when we're here. not even close. >> joining me now, nbc news intelligence and national security ken delainian and adam winkler who is author of "gun fight the ba...