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Excruciating analysis that i'm engaged in right now when i'm not in the woods. >> is it therapy? >>. >> i would say that it's cathartic because you know, it's very difficult to succeed a two-term president of your own party. that is a historical fact and democrats haven't done it since lord knows like the 1820s or 30s. a long time ago. >> so it was -- it was -- others may not have realized it. i always knew it was going to be a hard election but i thought at the end of the day, we had made it clear, we were -- you know, i wasn't going to appeal to people's emotions in the same way that my oppo...

>> yeah, i called president obama. and i called >> yeah. >> did you have any message for president obama? >> you know, look, i was very proud to serve in his administration, and i said ad nauseaum during the campaign, president obama didn't get the credit he deserved for saving our economy and passing the affordable care act. i just don't think he got that credit. so, look, again, you can read all about this excruciating analysis that i'm engaged in right now when i'm not in the woods walking my dog. >> is it therapy? >> i would say it is cathartic.

A book relieving the campaign is a painful process. it follows the release last month of "shattered" by reporters jonathan allen and amy barnes. they report and after her lost to barack obama in the primary in 2008, she ordered aides to access her server and review the emails. the candidate herself could see "who was talking to who, who was leaking to who." >> you can read all about this excruciating analysis that i'm engaged in. when i'm not in the woods walking my dog. >> is it therapy? >> i wouldn't say it's therapy. i would say it is cathartic because it's very difficult to succeed a two-t...

Well, thank you. i'm going to point out when democrats say they want to build stuff, it's called socialism, and when the republicans want to do it, it's called patriotism. i don't understand that. but we're going to answer your question, but but i don't want to answer it with just us. i want to bring to the stage another legend in the american body politic, cnn contributor extraordinaire, ana navarro. come to the stage! come to the stage! now -- very, very good. now, ana -- >> mm-hmm. >> we've been talking. we've been going back and forth. but now -- >> i thought we called it therapy. >> that'...

Do it, it's called patriotism. i don't understand that. but we're going to answer your question, button want to answer it with just us. i want to bring to the stage another legend in the american body politic, cnn contributor extraordinaire, ana navarro. come to the stage! come to the stage! now -- very, very good. now, ana -- >> mm-hmm. >> we've been talking. we've been going back and forth. but now -- >> i thought we called it therapy. >> that's good. but we wanted to bring you out here, because you may well be the most famous homeless republican in the united states of america right now. be...