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Maggie and i ate. >> and do you eat at the table, the den, what is your normal habit? >> we would do both. when we ate at the table it was sort of more formal -- not formal but more of an organized thing. what we would normally do on a regular evening is we would eat in the den if front of the t.v. that's where we ate that day. i ate on the couch, the table. maggie had a little -- a tv tray that she kept over there and paul would usually sit in a recliner and eat off the ott man. >> was the tv on? >> yes. >> was that normal for the tv to be on? >> yes, if we were in the house, the tv was on. >...

Really the part of the house that at their age was getting used. that's why you went in this entrance because my mom and whoever was caring for her was always in her bedroom which would be just on the other side of the room that has these windows that you see to the right, all right? those would be the windows for the room where my dad slept and then my mom is right on the other side. the kitchen is there. this is the part of the house they were always in. >> and are you the only one that would pull up in the back like that? >> no. >> common for your brothers and your sister to do the same? >>...

My dad never -- you would never go catch him sitting in the den up front or, you know, in the living room. he just wasn't up there. he was in this room watching tv or even he was on this back deck. and my mom was either in her room, which was just off of that, or she might be in the kitchen. or the breakfast room. >> and when you got to the house, who was there? your mother's house on the night of june 7th? >> my mom was there and shelly smith was there. >> and what did you do when you got there? >> the first thing i did was i tried to -- i knocked on the door. the door was locked. i locked on...

>> and when you -- how long did you stay inside the house, roughly? >> now that i've seen the benefit of these records, i was in there several minutes. >> obviously -- were you surprised that paul and maggie had not made it back to the house? >> you know, i don't know surprised is the right word. i thought they would have been back by then, you know. but did it cause me to go into any -- wasn't like i was shocked. but i thought they would be there. i distinctly remember, you know, i went and looked. sometimes i was very hot natured, number one, i was hot, i was heavy and taking pills. so i was...