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The weapons, get disarmed, de-nazi de-nazification. plus the delegations on russia is mostly, exclusively actually lightweight unlike ukraine's ukraine which is intimate circle with president zelenskyy. >> in "the wall street journal" today, russia has abandoned plan a, to take kyiv and topple president zelenskyy. plan b is trying to secure negotiations over neutrality. what does ukrainian neutrality mean? >> well, it's very, very delicate and difficult topic for ukrainians. for any nation, actually. i worked in austria for a while. it became neutral because it is

Chance of success, do you think? that is something that has to be celebrated that they are at least happening. president zelensky saying they are _ happening. president zelensky saying they are going well. interesting to take campoli at his word, although he is _ take campoli at his word, although he is trying — take campoli at his word, although he is trying to put a positive spin on it_ he is trying to put a positive spin on it when— he is trying to put a positive spin on it when russia is pounding to smithereens vast chunks of his country — smithereens vast chunks of his country i_ sm...

Chief. >> jeremy fleming has been trying to do what we have been trying to do for weeks and months really, to get into the head of putin and figure out why he carried out this assault and based on the intelligence that he has at his disposal, very well informed there, is he is miscalculate and badly advised by generals who don't have the courage to tell limb -- him the truth. plan a doesn't seem to be working out. plan a seems to be a blitzkrieg invasion that would be so quickly over that it would topple the regime in kyiv and would t-would lead to the west having to accept that as a fait acco...

Would terrorize the population. a key objective in the plan b strategy now that plan a has failed. it would also help him conserve inventory of missiles and bombs shrinking rapidly. few things empty a city faster than a cloud of nerve gas. at this point, where do you put the chances that something like that happens? >> i think there's relatively low. chemical weapons are hard to control. obviously huge impact globally if it could be definitively attributed. there's -- you pick a number. 10 million cell phones around ukraine. someone will get a video where it came from perhaps. it's still a hig...

Chernobyl, it is clearly they're not attacking kyiv as much as they were before. do you see, admiral, a change in how russia is dealing with its presence in ukraine? >> i do, jose, the most striking thing is let's go back to five weeks ago when this started, plan a, was let's decapitate those zelenskyy regime in the case of zelenskyy and put a puppet government there and effectively conquer the country in minimal losses, that was plan a. it failed utterly. plan b starts to look like consolidate forces in the southeast and become a tougher target for the ukrainians and more fortification in the...