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You're here and i'm glad that you're here because i made a quick list, i'm sure you can make a longer one, of things that manafort could tell mr. mueller and his team about. the trump tower meet egg, the platform change, where it became pro putin, for the first time in gop platform change history. an offer to brief a russian oligar oligarch. he's been convicted of -- he was convicted of eight felonies. how useful do you think manafort could be to mueller's team? >> i think narrowly useful. i think there's been a lot of hope from trump critics that manafort owns some keys to the kingdom in unlo...

Told npr the trump campaign was involved in that platform change. manafort also offering unconvincing denial when it came to trump's potential dealing relationships with russian oligarchs. >> mr. trump has no financial relationships with any russian oligarchs oligarchs ? >> that's what he said. that's what our position is. >> manafort was also in touch with a business partner maintained quote ties to a russian intelligence service throughout 2016. in terms of the potential areas here and we don't know yet what mueller might be looking at here but there's a broad range of russia related topics ...

Not just the manafort trial. mueller isn't done with gates until he's done with gates. i have to imagine unlike manafort since gates was around after inauguration, he was around through that, he was around the west wing, he was around the white house. he was around the president's kids, he was around senior white house staffers until the week before he was indicted. he has to be the person that's triggering, if not the president, some of the people around him. >> he was there at the start and he was there very importantly at the -- during the rnc convention which i still think is going to come...

Myself from any existing or future investigations of any matter relating in any way to the campaigns for president of the united states. >> all right. and what is certain to be an awkward exchange between mueller and the president, there are questions over the alleged order to fire the special counsel robert mueller himself. and finally, the fourth topic, it's all about russia. the special counsel will want to know everything the president knows about that june, 2016 trump tower meeting and the president's role in donald trump junior's response to the news of that meeting. the president's cont...

The key there is that the notion is that bob mueller is probing the platform change, and i will are say by the way as a political matter, and so we have been to our share of conventions, platforms are not typically considered the most important thing that happens there -- >> no, it is not. >> but if you are auctioning it off to the foreign government, it becomes more interesting, gene. >> that how you make a platform important and interesting is auctioning it off to the foreign government, and it is -- look, it is always a very curious change, right, because the republican party, generally mor...