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National. but there has never -- that's never happened. what haes happening is people are trying to -- i don't know. maybe unintentionally cloud the issue. it has always been up to the states. the only federal rule on the subject was the defense of marriage act, which the democrats are trying to overthrow. i would hope if president obama is reelected he would appoint justices who would then follow the constitution but that's the level at which it would be dealt with as it was in race. >> let's talk about politics, mark halperin. if democrats ask for a far-reaching platform plank, the policy of...

What happened is people who haven't followed the law -- understand that we like it to be national but there has never -- that has never happened. what's happen sing people are trying to -- i don't know. unintentionally cloud the issue. it has always been up to the states. the only federal rule on the subject was a defense of marriage act which the democrats are trying to overthrow. i would hope if president obama is re-elected he would appoint justices who would then follow the constitution but that's the level at which it would be dealt with as it was in race good let's talk about the politic...

Were advising them and could choose between winning a state party chairmanship and winning some sort of platform plank at the national convention, which would you pick? which would have more influence on the direction of the party and the goals of your movement? >> i'm not sure that either have a particularly big influence on the direction of the party. so for example, when you have a state chairman who takes over a state party and the state party's dysfunctional, it's no longer relevant to the political goals of electing a majority, whether that's on the republican side or the democratic side...

Parties to go in there and cause to lot of mischief and disrupt the flow of the convention. so at the end of the day, it's probably not a big deal, but it's a has tool have to deal with. >> if you were an insurgent in the republican party, if you had a sort of long-term idealogical view the way i think the ron paul folks do, i don't mean that in a kritsical way, just the way i think they're oriented and you were advising them and could choose between winning a state party chairmanship and winning some sort of platform plank at the national convention, which would you pick? which would have mor...

Parties to go in there and cause to lot of mischief and disrupt the flow of the convention. so at the end of the day, it's probably not a big deal, but it's a has tool have to deal with. >> if you were an insurgent in the republican party, if you had a sort of long-term idealogical view the way i think the ron paul folks do, i don't mean that in a critical way, just the way i think they're oriented and you were advising them and could choose between winning a state party chairmanship and winning some sort of platform plank at the national convention, which would you pick? which would have more...