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Defend the defense of marriage act. on the other side, president had ground-breaking progress for gays and lesbian. there is issue on fairness and equality. the platform process will play out in the coming months. >> shannon: how tricky is the subject for the president? >> tricky in terms of negotiating it in public. behind closed doors it's what plouffe said. wave around the boogeyman of the republican nominee who are harsher when it comes to gay rights than the president is. >> shannon: charles, final word. quickly. >> what is important is he getting ready to go left on gay rights as he is o...

To add to that today. we don't even have a platform committee yet -- >> well, you do have a draft plank right there. >> well, we're going to work through the platform process. megyn: so is there a legitimate concern that things like gay marriage which is very divisive, illegal immigration and so on might become very different issues with president obama in his second term? >> well, i think on the gay marriage issue he is, actually, on the wrong side of history right now, and many democratic leaders are urging this administration, urging the dnc to make sure that that is included in the party p...

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