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Quantities of human suffering. he has destabilized the most destabilized region in the world, and he has harmed deeply the national security interests of this country. >> i want to sort of play devil's advocate for a bit on this. one thing as i wichd this, i imagine a future in which a democratic president even a republican president withdraws from afghanistan, something i think has to happen at some point. we cannot be there forever. i worry about the forms of argumentation being made here being used there. we're abandoning our allies, the taliban will rush back in, and i worry about essentia...

Quantities of human suffering. he's destabilized the most destabilized region in the world, and he has harmed deeply the national security interests of this country. >> i want to sort of play devil's advocate for a bit on this. one thing i've taught to myself i imagine a future in which a democratic president even a republican president withdraws from afghanistan, something i think has to happen at some point. we cannot be there forever. i worry about the forms of argumentation being made here being used there. we're abandoning aeroallies, the taliban will rush back in, and i worry about essen...

We don't know what's going to happen. we don't know how any of this will play out. other than to say that trump has unleashed vast quantities of human suffering. he has destabilized the most destabilized region in the world. he has harmed, deeply, the national security interests of this country. >> i want to sort of play devil's advocate for a moment on this. i actually believe in the def s levelleve advocate. i imagine a future that a democratic president, even republican president, withdraws from afterstan begaghanistan. we can't be there forever. it is the longest war in the republic. the f...

Really of unprecedented dimensions. and the consequences of that disaster will be felt for years. we don't know what's going to happen. we don't know how any of this will play out other than to say that trump has unleashed vast quantities of human suffering. he has destabilized the most destabilized region in the world. and he has harmed deeply the national security interests of this country. >> i want to sort of play devil's advocate for a moment on this. one thing as i've watched the criticism of this decision, i thought to myself, i imagine a future in which a democratic president or republ...

Sure exactly any other fabrication that would come out of this of our encounter. >> boy. i ask you that because there are two different realities here. i completely -- don't get me wrong, part of my job here is to challenge you. >> riepgght. >> and play devil's advocate but i live in the same skin as you so i understand the frustration especially for men of color who are often seen as violent and aggressive and those sorts of things and seen as the aggressor. i understand the safety and being responsible for the people you live with. that's why i ask you, how do you