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Into bill clinton. raymond. sixth circuit court of appeals. >> he had a decade on that court and for justice kennedy, we could see people who are following their boss in this job. he has articulately on a host of issues, first amendment, second amendment, how to interpret statutes and that is a key thing knowing someone will interpret a statute as written and bring their policy judgment in. i like that he writes in many ways like neil gorsuch where he tries to break it down for the lay reader. he gets into the legal stuff but wants to make sure this is accessible to the american people. heathe...

>> he is on the 6th circuit also from michigan and he has now nine almost 10 years of experience in the court and a lot of ways reminds me of justice gorsuch including his writing styles very articulate very thoughtful but also lines to start his opinions with a section explaining it kind of for the lay reader so you get what they're talking about it's not written just for the elite but then of course gets into the details thoughtfully later. abby: brett carve a newnab. that name came up before neil gorsuch as ultimately picked what do you know about this? >> he was added to the list recently ...