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Didn't do a debrief with those lawyers afterwards if he did any, and the president's new legal team found themselves having to reconstruct a ton of this, what essentially was a road map for mueller by a bunch of witnesses as to where to look and what to look at, and they have been playing catchup, and they feel caught up now, and real-time conversations are better than doing this months after the fact, and they don't know where this all goes now. they are flying partially blind, and partially because of the errors by john dowd, and some of the errors are contributed to that the president is a ...

E-mails other than a really good row soto recipe. that's the position they're in now. playing catchup and reacting to each revelation. she has the tape and is playing a much longer game. >> you're saying the environment on the apprentice, around the apprentice, and even in the trump obama administration, this kind of culture of lie ass and distrust and clandestine back and forward is how he operates. >> without a doubt. think about the kind of people donald surrounds him with. michael flynns of the world. paul manaforts of the world. that's a political context. i've seen that in the business c...

Came back clean. >> he was double speaking there. the fbi doesn't do an investigation into whether or not he has good policies when he gets into the v.a. that is political consideration. that is a bigger problem for ronny jackson in these anonymous, except for the percocet one. that one they have to clean up. there are different levels of concern to it. that was his problem. the man has never run anything, be let alone something of this scale of the v.a. and the veterans in their polls aren't in favor of him because of that, not these other things. >> not to water this down, but i mean, there ...

In the tech space, different types of tactics bad actors are using to take advantage of those platforms. it's a constant race. what mark said to me with security, sometimes you're playing catchup. you've got to really be proactive as opposed to reactive which i think is what has gotten facebook in trouble. >> that answer was very interesting. to me watching it, it looked as if mark zuckerberg was rerersed, practiced, knew exactly what he wanted to say in most cases. but there were moments when you seemed to catch him off guard, particularly when you asked if facebook affected the outcome of th...

Ares they -- are these in order? >> no. >> i'm supposed to retire on friday. >> how are we supposed to comb through 4,000 pages? >> they're not even organized? >> we have less than eight hours. >> for the last six years we've been playing catchup. and thanks for the president of the united states who, by the way, has taken a [ bleep ] on the first amendment, we got the goods. >> and we have with us, josh, who won an oscar about "spotlight," another film about journalists. and we worked together on "west wing." this year working on this script this year, did it feel like you were writing in the...