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Inflounce t influence the proceeding. i want to go back to what matt was saying about the lies around trump tower. this is one of those things regardless of why they lied, why he lied, it's a huge deal. this was a fraud on the american public. this was donald trump -- we know from the cohen plea documents -- was in communication with michael cohen, knowing michael cohen was talking to the putin government about a project that needed vladimir putin's approval. while the russians were attacking our country, attacking our election. and he lied about it. he said it wasn't happening. would he have ...

Trump's current lawyer responded with this. if you believe cohen, i can get you a great deal on the brooklyn bridge. but he also exposed the lie that the dealings went longer than that january 2016 date. >> did drunk know that michael cohen was pursuing trump moscow, a co-- according to the daytimee gave it would go up to november 2016. you had some time to sift there it, what do you think? >> this clip is very important. some of this we knew, we sometimes forget what we have already learned. in the plea documents, he made clear that he talked to trump about reaching out to russia

So explain how your former colleagues would have arrived at this butina deal. >> if you look at the plea documents that were filed today to which maria butina pled guilty, it's clear this is part of a long-running investigation, back in 2015. >> before anything with the election. >> before special counsel mueller and his team were appointed. this goes back a long ways and it's part of, frankly, a long-running effort by the russians to try and influence us to try and seed operatives in here. this is separate from the mueller investigation but i think is very consistent with what counterintellig...

Cooperator. she's pled guilty and she's looking for consideration from the government by cooperating with them. and she's going to be interviewed and debriefed. she has already as evidenced by the fact that now she's pleading guilty. she's signing up to be very forthcoming and clear about everything she's been involved in. so she signed up to and pled guilty to acting as an agent of the russian federation and at the direction of -- this is interesting, in the plea documents, if you look at them, at the direction of at least within russian government official, i think that is torsion. >> what d...

It is not a crime, that campaign finance law is not a crime, it most certainly is a crime. harry litman may disagree with me on this. i might suggest that campaign finance law, this particular violation is defensive bull, and history shows us through the john edwards case that these cases may be defensible in the sense that they don't always result in a conviction because it is difficult to prove the actual willfulness of the conduct. but that's a totally different inquiry than whether or not it is, in fact, a crime. it is a crime, and the crime has been admitted to in open court. it's been ad...