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Modern age, after the u.s. has deceived people about it from you know, the russians, the chinese, the israelis, the pakistanis, it's not unique to iran they would be lying about their program. but the idea that something short of this kind of full disclosure, which i do think would require a new set of people in power, you know, i think would shouldn't, it's not just israel. it shouldn't satisfy anyone. >> it's plausible that a new people in power would want to pursue the nuclear program. >> i think they would be more of a, more trust, i think if you saw, you know, listen, these guys stole the...

Their own political ranks? >> you know what it struck me as, as i was watching, is that there's no natural in this debate. there's no natural in this field. let me explain. if that happened with bill clinton or ronald reagan -- >> what would bill have done? >> they would have said, you know what, this guy is in there, he's risking his life for us. they would have paused -- now, he might have probably gotten to whatever point he wanted to get to, but he would have paused, because he is naturally gifted at leadi ining and understandind that matters. >> you're on to something. here's what you're ...

Get permission, he certainly can be. obviously, this is ultimately up to the justice department. but i can't help watching those two gentlemen speak remember the general leadi ining chants of l her up, lock her up at the republican convention. if he's not in trouble as a part of law, he's probably in trouble in the court of karma. >> maybe that's what's coming back around now as it will do, as we've seen so often in life. what about the white house not knowing or claiming not to know these things that general flynn had accepted something like 45,000 from russian state run tv. did the white hou...