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Losing, what, 2,500 -- 4,500 young men and women, god knows how many tens of thousands injured. we are the ones who have created a bureaucracy. tsa has about 57,000 people operating in tsa. can you imagine a day, david, when we'll ever again be without that bureaucracy? all imposed upon us. >> chairman mccaul, final word on this debate. >> i would just say there's a rhetoric and a reality. and this administration has a rhetoric that's winding down, it's pre-9/11, it's a dangerous rhetoric. i think it's not good for the country. i think we have to -- you know, you can't wish this threat away, a...