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People at the senior level who don't want to go in and have their careers tarnished. when you're talking about the junior staffers, it's okay for them to go in but they're not going to run a business administration. i think why mcmaster is saying what he is despite being undercut by the president, when he gave those statements, he was trying to signal to our allies to continue in intelligence sharing because what president trump had done was so bad, it was damage control. >> it does seem to be an administration that is in desperate need for help from grown-ups. if grown-ups don't want to do it...

The administration. they don't have it right now, and tonight's a reflection of that. >> all right. former congressman david jolly, thank you very much for your time. thank you for staying up. >> you got t. >> joining us on the phone is kounlter terrorism expert and intelligence officer malcolm nance. malcolm, i'm going to start with you before we bring in jolly. whether this is the beginning or the end of a narrative on the trump administration in russia. >> oh, this is going to be the beginning of a very, very long arc that will probably lead to very much more uncomfortable things occurring ...

You before we bring in jolly. whether this is the beginning or the end of a narrative on the trump administration in russia. >> oh, this is going to be the beginning of a very, very long arc that will probably lead to very much more uncomfortable things occurring inside the trump administration. as you know, when i wrote my book, "plot to hack america," general flynn figured very highly inside the administration as being a leading advocate for this with russia. it was based on essentially siding with vladimir putin on everything and realigning the united states into an axis of christianity. he...

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