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>> it's going to give us precisely the steps he took to drive that plane into the ground. when it is synced up with the voice recorder you will have a second by second picture, including the sounds and the manipulation of the flight controls that will show us exactly what he did. >> the data recorder was badly burned in the crash. is it possible investigators won't be able to retrieve the data from it? >> no. no the data recorder is very robust. it was scorched. the type of fire that could damage a data recorder is a long intense, high heat flame. that was not the case here. i think they'll ...