When they are attacked at this point and do you expect that's a line of questioning for the director he may get today? >> yes. i expect he will get all those sorts of questions. they're all good questions. look, companies are in a bad pog when they get hacked. it's not like the head of colonial pipeline or head of the jbs meat producing company had a really good choice or really bad choice and took the really bad choice. they had two awful choices. >> they're both bad choices. >> continue to try and -- yeah, exactly. they're both awful choices, hallie. so you try to pick the least bad choice t...