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>> your point being? >> my point being is among women of all ages -- >> i know. >> -- that's hillary's base. it's demonstrated in new hampshire. >> just to continue my point, briefly, one second. dick cheney really ibad if what he's done. hillary clinton is really innocent. there's a difference here. anyway, thank you, howard fineman. thank you, joan walsh. up next, the sideshow. all-star double play coming up featuring, she wasn't governor long, but she's on our target zone for a long time. and louie gohmert. i don't know who his constituents are who keep this guy in office. this is "hardba...

Interesting because the fox demographic may be the the last demographic where they think they have a prayer of demonizing her and bringing back -- you know, she was not liked by that demographic, but i think even that demographic has enormous respect for her, especially the women in that demographic. >> i wonder whether roger, if he's behind this as you suggest, he may well believe it's good money for the network, he has the same attitude toward her, perhaps, former secretary clinton that i have toward dick cheney and that's how it's pronounced. >> it could be. by the way, that favorability nu...

I don't know anybody besides santa claus that's in the single digits. >> let's get her to 10 or 11 and they'll have a fighting chance. i think what howard said is very interesting because the fox demographic may be the the last demographic where they think they have a prayer of demonizing her and bringing back -- you know, she was not liked by that demographic, but i think even that demographic has enormous respect for her, especially the women in that demographic. >> i wonder whether roger, if he's behind this as you suggest, he may well believe it's good money for the network, he has the sam...

>> they are in there, for example. >> there is no one there who believes in legalized abortion, presumably maybe someone. my point being that i think part of the difficulty of interpreting the conclave and interpreting the choice is precisely that the lens through which it is retracted to us are the places in which these kind of political commitments and religious orthodoxy bump up each other. the issues that affect catholics in their public life and private life. but that has zero to do with the decision make in the conclave. someone is not getting up that's a pro marriage equality papal cand...

Frustrating. we need leadership and i feel the president knees to be the leader. what's his legacy going to be? going to get a handle on entitlement reform or a handle on the sequestration? make people feel the pain and then as the continuing resolution comes up, they're going to do a -- >> why did they close the white house doors. >> to prove a point. >> the point being? >> point being that we're going to show you that sequestration is real and even though we can do other things to not affect these cuts we're going to show you evisceral level. >> is it that or don't ever play with us on spend...