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Benefit. howard: it's the difference between general public opinion and the media. between boston, new york and washington. look, some of this gets very personal. of msnbc host joy reid said she never would have gotten into harvard without affirmative action because she had no college test prep. what's been your experience in the perception? >> look, i think there's a couple things, and i think to a point ben is right. even those folks who are celebrating this ruling saying this equalizes the college admissions system, let's take a look at the numbers. and i think the media miss this point too...

Avoid a possible russian invasion of ukraine. russia denies it is planning for that, but with more troops moving to its border with the country some fear diplomacy may be futile. in an interview with the sunday times, ben wallace said the current situation had a whiff of munich in the air from some current situation had a whiff of munich in the airfrom some in current situation had a whiff of munich in the air from some in the west. a reference to attempts in the german city to appease hitler before world war ii. some saw it as criticism of allies taking a softer approach. a cabinet colleague ...

Because you do have some parents and some people that were claiming to be parents who dot want to be reunited. that's the important part. >> where does that come from? >> i talked to immigration attorneys. you can look through government documents that happened even before we had this last separation policy with this administration. you have seen where there have been kids unfortunately brought across the border illegally, sometimes with people claiming to be their parents who are not and sometimes with parents, unfortunately, they waive reunification. >> let me stop you there, it's a two side...

Indication this weekend with the games and all but there will always be a stubborn few and prominent players who not to go along with what their owners are saying they should do. >> i understand but they don't have credibility if they don't move the discussion forward. if that's all they're doing, is their time-- >> neil: let's say they continue to do what they do and they kneel and/or sit. >> go to capitol hill meet with their lawmakers. talk about specific legislation and things like that and you know i understand that roger goodell feels like he's being squeezed here but at some point, you ...