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It's important we let the russians know this. so yes, i think he ought to cut his losses with this disastrous trip to europe, not make it worse by a friendly meeting with vladimir putin on the heels of yet another indictment of russia. >> because the specifics in this indictment are enormous. they name names. the u.s. intelligence community hates to do that. they think it could compromise future intelligence operations. they go through point by point. it's one thing to say the russians interfered. it's another thing to bring it up with all this specific detail. >> exactly. what i've been looki...

I always liked watching. charles got tb. he had patients enough for an evolution of thought to have been on television. he would take perspective or point of view, he would wait for his opponent's side, usually you, juan. he would take you on, point by point. not personally come about point by point. when the argument was over, i never knew, but i thought you guys had a drink. >> that is true. >> it felt like that. he got tv. for those of us who were in the room, or in the studio, or in the building, or even at home watching, it made you better on the air to see charles krauthammer do what he ...

President putin for example depart from typical party position. and yet, the overwhelming majority of republican voters continue to stand with him and are putting him first. i think part of the reason of that might be your more typical candidates, john mccain, mitt romney lost in 2012. they're going to give him a very, very wide leeway and benefit of the doubt even on long-held policy positions. >> ron and elena, thank you so much. coming up in the next hour, a deeper dive on fact-checking the president point by point, on where the discrepancies lie. you. until... we lost it. today, we're re...

Was. regardless of what the president said publicly or on twitter or in an interview with lester holt. potentially he would have an interview with the president where he could ask the president directly. then you go back to the issue of the president's credibility. >> all of that is true. he has a wealth of evidence now. i don't think we can discount the interview. obviously you're not discounting interview. it really, it was contemporaneous right around the time where comey was fired. it was right around the time he was meeting with russians in the oval office and talking how comey was a nutj...

His comments. >> on that point, michael, last word, question to you, how close are we to a collision to what looks to be the mounting evidence developed and the argument developed by robert mueller, how far are we from a collision between that evidence gathering and the president's determination not to respect this investigation itself? >> i think the biggest collision coming will be on the interview. they have been negotiating now for six months about this. and at a certain point, i think mueller is going to loss his patience. giuliani is saying all different types of things about the intervi...