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Russians either during the campaign or in transition? >> right. my answer is yes and no. do we need more light shined upon that, i believe we do. for instance, some of the was during the transition when it's critically normal to have conversations with foreign powers. we need to learn more, and i would say to those of us who support the president, we can't be complacent, clearly. but i would also caution those who can't stand the president, including a lot of people in congress who are ready to put him in a cell, i would caution them that we haven't seen anything even close to criminality. but...

Through the u.s. attorney's office. >> steve, to that point, does it raise any concerns with you that i think by cnn's count now 16 people in trump world had contacts with russians? either during the campaign or transition? >> right. my answer is yes and no. do we need more light shined upon that, i believe we do. yes, there's some worry there. some of it is not worrisome at all for instance it was during the transition when it's normal to have conversations with foreign powers. we need to learn more, and i would say to those of us who support the president, we can't be complacent, clearly. it...

All this lying to authorities. that's what i think the trump white house has to be more concerned about. are you lying about it? that can get you in a lot of trouble. >> i only have a second but that's what i was going to ask. can mueller use flynn to try to proof obstruction of justice for firing combey. >> he most definitely can do. the president was saying hey, can you lay off flynn, flynn's really a good guy. one of the claims of on construction is that the president knew he had committed illegal acts and fired comey and that becomes close to an impeachable offense. so that's dangerous are...