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Same rowels as every other gun dealer. joishgs he had an hour long gun debate. >> the laws don't help. >> at what point michelle said if i was living in a farm house where the sheriff's department is far away. i would want to make sure i had a shotgun to make sure i was protected and my family was protected. >> reporter: the nra said it was a public relation spectacle. >> he's trying to create an illusion. his policys failed miseribly. >> he is trying to curve unregulat unregulated. and the president failed to pass it through congress and now he

All right? talking to families who've gone through the pain of losing somebody because of violence in chicago, gun violence. michelle and i are then campaigning in iowa and going to farms and we're going to counties and at one point michelle turned to me and said, you know, if i was living a farmhouse where the sheriff's department is pretty far away and somebody can just turn off the highway and come up to the farm, i'd want to have a shotgun or a rifle to make sure that i was protected and my family was protected. and she was absolutely right. and so part of the reason i think that this ends...

Distrust with them is. he doesn't understand the -- whether the fear or desire to own a gun. he's never owned a gun. and that he really is, you know, wanting to come for their guns. i have a lot of friends who believe that. i wanted to put that to him. he told a story about being out on the campaign trail and his wife saying i would -- if i lived out here i would want a shotgun or something. let's play that. >> let's listen to it. >> michelle and i are campaigning in iowa and going to farms and going to counties. and at one point michelle turned to me and said, you know, if i was living in a f...

On the campaign trail and his wife saying i would -- if i lived out here i would want a shotgun or something. let's play that. >> let's listen to it. >> michelle and i are campaigning in iowa and going to farms and going to counties. and at one point michelle turned to me and said, you know, if i was living in a farmhouse where the sheriff's department's pretty far away. and somebody can just turn off the highway and come up to the farm, i'd want to have a shotgun or a rifle to make sure that i was protected and my family was protected. and she was absolutely right. and so part of the reason i...