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So it's all tied together. >> yeah. and john, that point mimi just made about brett kavanaugh's minimizing of his drinking is crucial to his defense because he can't admit he has any memory lapses because that opens up a theoretical window to does he have a memory lapse about dr. ford? and so we have his friends from yale going to a point of having to get together, write an op-ed piece -- they say we each asserted that brett lied to the senate by stating under oath he never drank to the point of forgetting what he was doing. they all drank with him in college, they all saw him get to that poin...

Telling the truth, which by the way a lot of people thought she was after they heard her, and that's gotten erased. and most importantly they really needed to do a probing questioning of kavanaugh. he has not had that. that hearing was not a questioning. it was essentially him giving a written statement but orally. i didn't do it, i never did it but that's it. he was not pres said on it. he was not tested with facts about the drinking, which is relevant to the central issue of -- because if he admits that he drank too much, he can't say for certain that he didn't commit this assault. so it's a...