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Internationally as well. >> and highlighted after the attack, per capita the number of foreign fighters, the largest number coming from tunisia fighting with isis. in addition to the documents in the computers, i read from one of our sources that ancient artifacts, including coins were collected, and there was an interpreter taken. how large is the entourage that goes with the commandoes, and there is the firefight and the collection of all the information and coins, and how long are they on the ground? >> well, they can be on the ground for as long as they need to be on the ground. that's the...

And some of that -- doesn't that need to be at least intelligence on the ground? >> sure. i don't think we have very good options here. and it's because we're looking at this the wrong way. look, with drones, they're going against a point target. a car, a person, a house, you need a good intelligence picture to do that. and i can't believe we would have one at this point. if you're going to use aircraft, you're going to kill civilians. the reason we're looking at this the wrong way is because we're looking at this as an opportunity for the u.s. to intervene against islamic extremist extremists...

The u.s. will always make every effort not to hit civilians but explain why that's so important strategically, as well. beyond the basic human issues there. >> about a year ago i thought by complaining and an action report we were killing too many afghan civilians. not just novel to afghanistan. same thing in vietnam, as well. mccrystal said that the population is a center of gravity. you simply cannot -- it is unacceptable to kill civilian secretary of state they're making every effort now. we had an accident with the rocket which is unfortunate and apparently more than a dozen civilians have...

Much any range in any stateless country and pirate ar-15. >> harris: that's where i learned how to fire, not those weapons. >> pete: nobody is checking what you have in your bag or what you were firing or how often your firing. so what significant is may be if did really think delusional enough to think that he was going to get away, someone who was regularly at the ranch who he confided in, that maybe the type of thing where you can get additional information about a motive. it sounds like he was as secretive as he could be. maybe he is firing spinning time with other people. >> sandra: to le...