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Entitlements. he'll give you whatever you want. he's a populist. that is not -- that's why he's -- >> you guys are agreeing on this, but -- >> here ate problem for republicans and he's sucking the air out of the room for the people that do have ideas and problems and people who aren't well known who have substantive ideas can't find a microphone. >> from a partisan standpoint i want to attack you all not getting in the way of trump because i think he's your mess. it's america's mess because we have this reality, pseudo-reality television creeping its way, it's infected our pop culture and now ...

>> karl rove was also close to the romney campaign. >> the democrats have a big advantage on this. both sides micro-targeted. the democrat, however, took it to the next level. >> rove insists that republicans can comeat and will win the new political arms race. that will excite many g.o.p. partisan who is just want a victory. but will this new way of pol ticks -- politics just give us better manipulators, rather than better leaders? what happened to gut and leadership to convince the voters, this idea is worth voting for? >> you put your finger on a good thing because if you rely on the data t...

No one knows more about the pol ticks -- politics of leaks than karl rove. >> good to be here. >> greta: republicans and democrats agree, this is a very serious leak investigation and has compromised our national security and israel's. having said that, at some point, leaks go beyond being a serious matter to being a political weapon. how do we ?n you have been dealing with leaks -- your other life? >> well, look, these are very serious national security programs shathat have been revealed inappropriately, sources and methods of intelligence have been compromised. and our national interest has...