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and if it is they need to provide additional certification, insurances and cares will be used responsibly. when was the gear never used responsibly by the police? when were the police never trained by using this type of gear? so as far as i'm concerned those statements the president made are basically just to his, you know to his left. and, you know they're not substantiated at all. >> is this about optics? if you want to deal with police aren't you supposed to deal with community relations and training? why start here? >> part of community relations are optics. part of what people want is patrol neighborhoods and talk to people. part of that is about optics. about making people feel as if they're not an occupying force. i disagree with harry on a few points. i'll be brief. >> of course. >> one is that it's not a play to the left. both the left and right post ferguson have said the militarization of police forces is dangerous. this is one of the few things both sides of the aisle seem to agree on. another piece of this is you're right we don't know what the police departments have those things. part of the problem with the 1033 act and before that 1028 is

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