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It's not the way -- look, iraq, whether you like the war or not, we got out of there with dignity and we gave that country a fighting chance to be a decent country. all right? i think we all agree with that. right? we got out with dignity, we gave the government there a chance. whether they take the chance or not, i don't know. afghanistan doesn't even look like we're going to get out of there with a stable government 'cause karzai is a crook, i think he's a crook. and the taliban just waiting in the mountains of pakistan and come in as soon as we leave. okay. let's go to iran. the president s...

But overseas about the nature of poverty and how we might best go about tackling it. tell us about how we're not thinking about this problem right. >> well, maybe this is this notion of war on poverty, which on the one hand is very, very powerful. and on the other hand, might set a goal that might be too -- like we are going to eliminate poverty. and it's easier to think about poverty as a set of issues, a set of problems. education, health, savings, that we can address one by one. and so before i get folks in, what are the kind of concrete recommendations that you would have then? i know ther...

Do you police to us policy. we have companies in the united states, companies all over the world doing economic business, making money in iran. you want to hurt iran? you got to play hard ball economically. the military option has got to be off the table. >> bill: so you think that when you say the military option has to be off the table, certainly not going to be off the table to the israelis and you can't tell them not to do it 'cause they're going to do what they want. >> they can't do it without us. >> bill: sure, they can. they can try. i don't know if they'll be successful, but they can ...

Foreign policy wise? >> the obama administration has never had a foreign policy. bill, he's only had this assortment of confused, naive initiatives poisoned by ideology, deformed by politic, driven by politics, and the only thing these initiatives in the foreign affairs realm have had in common has been their failure. if you look from benghazi to beijing, in this afro-asian realm of crisis, there is not one troubled country, not one, not russia, not china, certainly not iran, afghanistan, pakistan, certainly not israel, not one country in which relations are healthier or more constructive than...

It's not the way -- look, iraq, whether you like the war or not, we got out of there with dignity and we gave that country a fighting chance to be a decent country. all right? i think we all agree with that. right? we got out with dignity, we gave the government there a chance. whether they take the chance or not, i don't know. afghanistan doesn't even look like we're going to get out of there with a stable government 'cause karzai is a crook, i think he's a crook. and the taliban just waiting in the mountains of pakistan and come in as soon as we leave. okay. let's go to iran. the president s...