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Way to citizenship, but for comprehensive immigration reform to work, it must be clear from the outset that there is a pathway to citizenship. >> patti ann: joining the --. >> paul: panel james free, man and jason you have followed this for year. what is the substantive policy case for immigration reform out of washington. >> policy wise, i think that they help our economy. >> legal or illegal. >> giving foreign workers access to our labor markets makes those markets more efficient and make us more productive country economically. that has been the case for hundreds of years in this country. j...

Indicated on policing and pursuing young people, people of color, poor people, for marijuana usage. we could bedder apply those resources for drug treatment or assessment. why can't we use a system that young people show up and be tested and treated for drug abuse. thirpg that would be a much better use of our resources than just simply either arresting people, holding them in custody days, weeks at a time in an already overcrowded adult system in particular, and rather than using those resources in ways that will have a longer term payoff or benefit. >> obviously i think the policy case here ...

Movement needed someone like this. they needed a 91-year-old world war ii veteran that everyone can say looks like my grandpa and say why is he on the nonvoter rolls. the first batch targeted these 2600 voters. three-fifths were in miami-dade county, which is overwhelmingly democratic and 20% of those voters were actually voters. they weren't noncitizens, they were eligible voters. you look at the number. if you take 20% of 182,000, that's 35,000 potentially eligible voters that florida would take away the right to vote for. >> i want to bring in judith brown co-advancement project. and there'...

One, keep their money under the radar, so they were funding the right-wing think tanks that could start building the policy case for the agenda that they are trying to push and that agenda is one that puts their business interests above those of middle class families. >> and they seem to have really stepped up their spending these days and they have a lot more public profile, partly because of some of the research that's been done on them, partly by you guys, us, et cetera, but it seems like they were a little bit more brazen. you think that's because of citizens united, they think what differ...

Cut something i don't know anything about, and increase education. so the president is like most people. they like the idea of budget cutting, they don't like the reality. >> reporter: well, yeah, that's true. i think the whole of washington is like that. but that's why it was interesting to hear him use the language about the household finances, the sort of domestic way of looking at this, that their incomings and their outgoings are going to be balanced up in this budget. of course, the more immediate political fight isn't just about what to cut, it's about the tax raises that are in this bu...