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Presidential election. if that guy is running the state of pennsylvania, would he certify an election with the results we had? >> well, as you point out, in a lot of states, secretaries of state are running for election right now. in pennsylvania, the governor appoints the secretary of state. so who wins as governor of pennsylvania, will determine who is running elections in the next presidential election in 2024. i don't support or oppose candidates, but i would ask voters to be mindful, if they care about democracy, that they should value it, and take that into consideration when making thei...

State. so who wins as governor of pennsylvania, will determine who is running elections in the next presidential election in 2024. i don't support or oppose candidates, but i would ask voters to be mindful, if they care about democracy, that they should value it, and take that into consideration when making their decisions in november. >> then, how likely are these reforms that you are pushing for, how likely do you believe it is that they will be implemented? because, to cross our fingers and hope that the american people put democracy first, putting candidates in policies side, that's a risk...

Duress is an ability for someone to say they did not knowingly and intelligently basically waive their rights. if somebody wants to ultimately challenge this, which i think will happen and perhaps it would go as star as the united states supreme court, they can do so. right now they are stuck between a rock and a hard place to decide whether they want to be with their children or not. >> sarah, i want to play a bit of tape, michael mccaul was on that call. he's the chairman of the homeland security committee. >> we as a minimum have to deal with the family separation. i'm a father of five. i t...

Reporting a few weeks ago on kelly having some comments about the president, calling him an idiot, all of those things will affect feels owen in the end. she has a practical reality of trying to keep immigration down at the bottom when she has a policy changing and the political reality of seeing what happens with john kelly to protect her at dhs and is there any case that her names are it'sbly numbered or is the john kelly relationship sort of keeping her cover right now? >> it's interesting. we're always talking about whose days are numbered. last month talking about rod rosenstein. seems li...

Branches of government, but that doesn't mean that democrats don't have a voice. it doesn't mean that senate minority leader chuck schumer doesn't have ways of using senate rules to slow things down. i think if you go across the country and you look at sort of the energy and activism and resistance that's out there to what's happening whether it's the travel ban, whether it's what's happening with these immigration raids, the department of homeland security guidelines that came out today. i think -- democrats and people who don't like what the president is doing, they are -- they are energizin...