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These republican voters. he is in terms of policy chops on the same level as a lot of these guys. he's not trying to condescend or trying to make his thinking more simple when he discusses these policy issues. and that makes him a very effective communicator. but of course it also makes it hard for him to take clear policy stances or perhaps make incisive criticisms of what's going on in washington right now. >> there was also something you mentioned about sort of evangelicals supporting him and i think this is something that's been missed by folks who didn't follow his speaking career. he has...

Of tea party hero and because it's a role he's playing seems to kind of over or misstep a lot. part of what's strange about this also is here you have this guy who had this whole career. he was unquestionably a brilliant pediatric neurosurgeon. he had to know what he was doing when he had people on the operating table. then you take him out of that domain, he's getting asked about the debt limit the other day and he very clearly has no idea about the basic mechanics of how it works. >> of course. and most americans don't have any idea about the basic mechanics -- >> most americans aren't at 17...

Is that he's not talking down to these republican voters. he is in terms of policy chops on the same level as a lot of these guys. he's not trying to condescend or trying to make his thinking more simple when he discusses these policy issues. and that makes him a very effective communicator. but of course it also makes it hard for him to take clear policy stances or perhaps make incisive criticisms of what's going on in washington right now. >> there was also something you mentioned about sort of evangelicals supporting him and i think this is something that's been missed by folks who didn't f...

In the republican party who is going to vanquish him. now you have a splintered field that no one is getting traction. we're hearing about marco rubio, constantly what we heard months ago about scott walker. he's serious. he's got policy chops. he's a great story waiting to happen, great young leader. why is he in single digits in the polls after much acclaimed appearances at debates? jeb bush, it's not there. so there was a carson bump, now there's a fiorina bump. i don't think anyone seriously believes they're going to be the nominee. so they've got a problem. >> could the problem extend to ...

Fiorina -- what really helped her stand out is not only was she winning on the brawn, but she was winning with brains. so she was very aggressive. she was assertive. and at the same time she showed incredible policy chops. command of some of the policy issues whether it was national security foreign policy or the economy. and i think that was why we're looking at any of the headlines that came out of this debate yesterday she's at the top of all those headlines with her performance. >> all right. guys standby. thanks very much. we're going to continue our analysis. during last night's debate j...