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He spoke to president trump by phone today following the launch. for more i'm joined by a senior researcher at yale law school. also asia policy coordinator for the hillary clinton 2016 campaign. and u.s. army retired colonel jack jacobs, or military affairs analyst and a recipient of the medal of honor for his combat actions in vietnam. thank you both for being here. let's talk about this, the president had been clear on twitter and in person talking about fewer -- fury and flames and how terrible it would be if north korea did anything. we missed this on friday, but they fired a few duds on ...

Have a conflict with them. why would you in that situation start threatening our closest ally like on trade and stuff? how does this work? what's the big thinking here? joining us now is wendy sherman, she served as the north korea policy coordinator under president clinton as well. really appreciate your time tonight. thank you very much for being with us. >> good to be with you. >> is there a three dimensional chess advanced foreign policy understanding that -- advanced foreign policy approach that makes this make sense? >> well, rachel, you're probably better than i am at reading donald tru...

I would like to speak to an expert on these matters. is this some kind of three-dimensional chess move that naive laymen itdiots like e don't get? if there's an advanced strategy, what is that strategy? why would you start to threaten your ally while you are warning about a conflict with a mutual enemy? why would you take a country and say you're going to potentially have a conflict with them. they're right on the border with one of our closest allies, why would you in that situation start threatening our closest ally like on trade and stuff? how does this work? what's the big thinking here? j...

I would like to speak to an expert on these matters. is this some kind of three dimensional chest chess move that naive laymen idiots like me don't get? if there's an advanced strategy, what is that strategy? why would you start to threaten your ally while you are warning about conflict with a mutual enemy? why would you take a country and say you're going to potentially have a conflict with them. they're right on the border with out of our allies. why would you in that situation start threatening our closest ally like on trade and stuff? how does this work? what's the big thinking here? joini...

What is that strategy? why would you start to threaten your ally while you are warning about conflict with a mutual enemy? why would you take a country and say you're going to potentially have a conflict with them. why would you in that situation start threatening our closest ally like on trade and stuff? how does this work? what's the big thinking here? joining us now is wendy sherman, she served as the north korea policy coordinator under president clinton as well. really appreciate your time tonight. thank you very much for being with us. >> good to be with you. >> is there a three dimensio...